Angelina Jolie had a double mastectomy, in case you hadn’t heard. How dare she remove those ticking time bombs from her chest, amiright? Like, hasn’t she learned by now that her body is public domain and we all get to vote on what she does with it? Sheesh, how selfish can ya get.
“A List of “Men’s Rights” Issues That Feminism Is Already Working OnFeminists do not want you to lose custody of your children. The assumption that women are naturally better caregivers is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry and competent wives have to bustle in and fix it. The assumption that women are naturally better housekeepers is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments. Alimony is set up to combat the fact that women have been historically expected to prioritize domestic duties over professional goals, thus minimizing their earning potential if their “traditional” marriages end. The assumption that wives should make babies instead of money is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison. Permissiveness and jokes about prison rape are part of rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape. False rape accusations discredit rape victims, which reinforces rape culture, which is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want you to be lonely and we do not hate “nice guys.” The idea that certain people are inherently more valuable than other people because of superficial physical attributes is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want you to have to pay for dinner. We want the opportunity to achieve financial success on par with men in any field we choose (and are qualified for), and the fact that we currently don’t is part of patriarchy. The idea that men should coddle and provide for women, and/or purchase their affections in romantic contexts, is condescending and damaging and part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines while we do cushy secretarial work and various yarn-themed activities. The fact that women have long been shut out of dangerous industrial jobs (by men, by the way) is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want you to commit suicide. Any pressures and expectations that lower the quality of life of either gender are part of patriarchy. The fact that depression is characterized as an effeminate weakness, making men less likely to seek treatment, is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want you to be viewed with suspicion when you take your child to the park (men frequently insist that this is a serious issue, so I will take them at their word). The assumption that men are insatiable sexual animals, combined with the idea that it’s unnatural for men to care for children, is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want you to be drafted and then die in a war while we stay home and iron stuff. The idea that women are too weak to fight or too delicate to function in a military setting is part of patriarchy.Feminists do not want women to escape prosecution on legitimate domestic violence charges, nor do we want men to be ridiculed for being raped or abused. The idea that women are naturally gentle and compliant and that victimhood is inherently feminine is part of patriarchy.Feminists hate patriarchy. We do not hate you.If you really care about those issues as passionately as you say you do, you should be thanking feminists, because feminism is a social movement actively dedicated to dismantling every single one of them. The fact that you blame feminists—your allies—for problems against which they have been struggling for decades suggests that supporting men isn’t nearly as important to you as resenting women.We care about your problems a lot. Could you try caring about ours?”— Autostraddle
“Excuse sexist behavior from men - get to be told you’re the exception. You’re not like those other girls, the bitchy ones. You’re special.
This applies to just about every marginalized group.
Bold by me
A gang rape happened in Ohio and no one heard about it. A gang rape happened in India and everyone heard about it (as we should). The American media has represented India as a misogynistic country where women need to be constantly wary of the men that surround them. And after that gang rape, large-scale protests blocked the streets and clogged the media. Now, I am in no way saying that rape and domestic violence are not problems in India. As an Indian-American woman who has been to India many times and is incredibly familiar with the culture, I am in no way denying that. Rape, in India, is a serious problem. Rape, especially in lower class areas in India, is an extremely prevalent problem that needs to stop being ignored and taken seriously. Violence against women in India is a serious issue.
But violence against women in America is also a serious problem. Violence against women in South Africa, and Sweden, and Chile, and Thailand, is a serious problem. Violence against women is a serious problem. Period. Full stop. While our media went out representing India as a typical place for these deplorable events to happen, another woman’s similar story went ignored and without subsequent societal action. This country outright refuses to admit that it is a rape culture.
Our media and our country are so obsessed with presenting foreign countries as worse than us or uncivilized or, most importantly, undemocratic, they will blast our radios and timelines and homepages with news of rapes in India, but refuse to acknowledge that the same thing happens here and is happening here.
|—||Anisha Ahuja, Why Does America Pretend it Doesn’t Hate Women? (Feminspire.com)|
Ok, I’ve deleted portions of this conversation for space because after almost 300 reblogs at this point, it was getting really long.
But let’s just cut to the chase here, comicbookgods, AKA Charles. Aka the co-administrator of the HellyeahSupermanWonderWoman fandom blog. It’s notable btw that there are almost 300 responses to the OP’s original post at this point from all stretches of comics fandom. There are only 2 people who have chosen to side with the original OP and the troubling gender commentary found within that post. What a surprise and shock that you are one of them. What an incredible shock that you aren’t able to put aside your own personal biases.
There is one Lois Lane Tumblr which has more than once printed blatant and unpleasant lies about me, and others - just because we don’t think Lois and Superman should be together successfully.
Wrong. What has actually transpired is that countless women have expressed to you and to your co-administrator that they are offended by the way in which you frame your arguments and have asked you, repeatedly, to please re-evaluate your behavior.
Women who actually grew up in the United States in the 1960’s have attempted to ask you (a 40-something MALE) to not speak for them in terms of the way you talk about feminism and the experience of American working women.
Women have repeatedly asked you to not try to speak for their experience as a working woman in a man’s field as being “not remarkable.”
Women have repeatedly asked you to consider the offensive and degrading way in which your arguments treat the female body, the ability of women to conceive a child, the pain and struggles of infertility, an offensive male gaze view of sexual intercourse, the pain and struggles of women who have spouses in the military and a host of other issues that you have, in your words and in your arguments, insulted and degraded for years now both on your personal tumblr and on the site that you run.
People don’t find your behavior troubling because you run a blog about Superman and Wonder Woman. It may not be their personal preference but that’s not actually the root of the problem. People find your behavior troubling because repeatedly, for many years now, you have based your arguments on troubling gender commentary about women, sex, the female body, procreation, equality and feminism in a way that OFFENDS people.
I don’t hate Lois. I get accused of that just because (a) I point out that canon Lois and Superman weren’t a successful couple for over 50 years & not until the Iron age; and (b) I prefer the narrative where they don’t hook up successfully.
1.) No, you get accused of hating Lois because for years on end virtually every argument you have made about the character has stemmed, in some way, from an offensive, degrading view of feminism, women, sex and the female body.
2.) You “point out” things in canon over and over again and over and over again people inform you (including Superman legend Martin Pasko himself and Mark Waid) that you are WRONG.
No matter how many times you try to pretend that the Marriage in Action 484 didn’t happen doesn’t change the fact that it DID. It also doesn’t change the fact that it is considered to be the Golden Age canon and the official “end’ for the Siegel and Shuster Superman of the 1930’s. It also doesn’t change the fact that “Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow” was written to be an “imaginary story” but also intended to serve as a conclusion and farewell to the pre-crisis Superman. People don’t accuse you of things for “pointing out” canon they accuse you of pointing out INCORRECT CANON repeatedly over and over and over again and not even having the humility to listen when actual legendary Superman writers are telling you you are wrong.
3.) You prefer the narrative where Lois and Superman don’t hook up successfully because you run this blog: http://hellyeahsupermanandwonderwoman.tumblr.com/
This blog has attempted to clean up it’s act as of late; however, this blog has a history of poor behavior that pitted women against each other in troubling ways. It also links to a youtube channel with video content created by your co-administrator that degrades women’s bodies, their vaginas and implies that women with smaller breasts are not worthy of a Superman.
This post outlines in detail some of the offensive content that was linked to the blog at one point though it’s certainly not exhaustive. http://hearthcricket.tumblr.com/post/37120480443/the-lies-of-some-superman-and-wonder-woman-fans
Please stop pretending that you are some unbiased voice of reason. When Lois and Superman do hook up successfully, you root for her to die. While others lament the plight of women in refrigerators, you openly hope everytime Lois and Clark are married that Lois will face a grisly end. People are not judging you here for your personal preference—-one which you have every right to have. They are judging you for the way in which you and several others have gone about making your point.
It’s this kind of behaviour - the name calling and the lies, again eg. about Scott Lobdell when he highlighted how one poster was derailing threads on CBR, yet another example, that is having a negative impact on me and the way I think about Lois.
I think you’ll find if you explore that linked post above that the site you run has been just as guilty of name-calling so perhaps playing the victim here is not in your best interest.
As for Scott Lobdell: I have no personal desire to engage with Scott Lobdell nor to engage at the CBR forums which I find a very unpleasant place to be as a female.
Mr. Lobdell is in a position of power as a creator in this genre. His choice to single one of the only female posters over at the Superman forums on CBR out publicly on his facebook page and his twitter was in very poor taste and uncalled for. The woman in question did nothing wrong. She merely stated her opinion in a fan space and refused to stand back and engage in the almost doggedly constant misogyny that takes place regarding Lois Lane on a daily basis on that site—-chasing away countless other fans (both men AND women) that would love to engage in the conversation but will not subject themselves to that kind of environment. I wish Mr. Lobdell nothing but the best but his actions were disturbing and a form of bullying as he used his position of power to shame that woman for daring to have an opinion that criticized him and others. It doesn’t surprise me that you would agree with him but it is a reflection on you that you did.
I’d actually like to see her go out on her own like Steve Trevor has in JLA, ( or Nightwing before that ) and I’ve stated this many times, even long before the New 52!
Yes, I’m sure you would absolutely LOVE for Lois Lane to go “out on her own” and star in a book far away from Superman. But let’s be honest here, Charles, your “concern” for Lois going out on her own has absolutely nothing to do with respect for her legacy, her fans or her treatment in comics. It has to do with the fact that if Lois was out of the way then she doesn’t present the ever living threat to Superman and Wonder Woman being together.
So it’s not the fact there is celebration - that’s okay - go to it - but the manner in which certain fans celebrate that causes me grief. That was the way I interpreted the OP.
What is it, in clear terms, about the celebration that took place for the 75th anniversary that “caused you grief?”
Was it the positive interviews that DCWoman posted with acclaimed comics writers like Kelly Sue DeConnick, Greg Rucka, Dan Jurgens, Kurt Busiek, Bryan Q. Miller or Superman historians like Larry Tye?
Was it the posts of love and artwork and celebration and memories all over tumblr that upset you? Was it the LoisLane75yrs twitter celebration that was a positive, fun evening that celebrated both Lois AND Superman with 3 of the beloved actressses who had played her in media and thousands of fans?
Explain to me and others what it was about these celebrations which were positive, fun and inspirational for so many in nature that caused YOU, as a MAN, “grief?” Actually don’t. Because nothing you could say would change the problem here.
Lastly, the irony of your tumblr will never be lost on me. You dedicate your tumblr to Jerry Siegel and his legacy. You pledge your admiration towards his creation and his influence. Yet, the content on your blog contradicts the devotion to Siegel that you profess. It was well known that the Superman/Lois relationship was the part of the Superman mythos that meant the most to Jerry Siegel. It’s well known that the Siegel family is not happy with the comics’ current treatment of Lois nor with the relationship with Wonder Woman. It’s also well known that Marston’s family doesn’t like it either.
In fact Jerry and Joanne Siegel’s beloved daughter was quoted as saying this:
“Superman is unique among superheroes, and his relationship with Lois is one of the reasons. She is his ongoing link to humanity. His Earth foster parents, the Kents, started him off with a moral compass, but it was Lois who taught Superman the meaning of love. The current pairing with Wonder Woman may sell comics but, like many fans, I am hoping this ‘what if?’ won’t last long.”—Laura Siegel Larson
Of course, as Jerry and Joanne Siegel’s daugther, Laura is really the only person who has the right to speak on their behalf at this point. She is the only person who has the right to speak on behalf of her father and mother. And she has spoken.
Ship whatever you want. Enjoy whatever it is that you want. But stop pretending that the reason people take issue with you is because people are trying to deny you your personal preference. Because it’s not. It’s directly tied to your BEHAVIOR. Behavior which offends. Enjoy what you like and allow others to do the same. You supported an offensive OP here loaded with offensive gender commentary and you got called on it. That’s the issue. No one hates you. You are not a victim.
As long as I can’t watch an episode of a popular sitcom without having to sit through multiple sexist comments or “jokes”, I am a feminist.
As long as women have to face the rational fear of being sexually assaulted every time they walk home past dark while men don’t, I am a feminist.
As long as misogyny exists in any country in this world, I am a feminist.
As long as women are being raped, then stoned to death or forced to marry their rapist, I am a feminist.
As long as companies promote men to manager when there are women who are equally as or better qualified, because they find that men look more authoritative, I am a feminist.
As long as women (her choice of clothes, her friendly nature, her weakness, her choice to drink alcohol) get blamed when men rape them, I am a feminist.
As long women’s opinions on online social networks are dismissed with phrases like “tits or gtfo”, “get back to the kitchen”, “are you pms’ing?”, I am a feminist.
As long as dressing like a women is degrading for men and as long as men are insulted with phrases like “you throw like a woman”, clearly implying that being like a woman is shameful, I am a feminist.
As long as both men are women are expected to work, but taking care of children and the household are still largely considered a woman’s job, I am a feminist.
As long as boys and girls are treated differently, expected to act differently, and surrounded by different toys and colours from the day they are born, I am a feminist.
As long as topless women aren’t allowed in public unless they’re on the cover of a men’s magazine, I am a feminist.
As long as women who have sex frequently are generally told they are “sluts”, “lacking self-respect” and “lacking morals” by both men and women, while men who frequently have sex are “just being men” and it’s “natural for them”, I am a feminist.
As long as there are places where women have to pay more for health insurance than men, I am a feminist.
As long as men experience situations with equal gender representation as female-dominated, and don’t consider a group discussion equal unless there are significantly more men then women participants (as has been proven), I am a feminist.
As long as there are men who think it’s their wife or girlfriend’s duty to have sex with him whenever he wants, I am a feminist.
As long as the word feminism (“the movement aimed at equal rights for women”) has a negative connotation, I am a feminist.
As long as misogynist people exist, I am a feminist.
I just want to bring this back
while we’re pretending girls in nerd culture don’t have it bad
NATALIE PORTMAN was accused of being a “fake nerd girl”
THIS IS HOW FAR THE IGNORANCE GOES
IT GOES THIS FAR
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Prime Minister of Australia kicking ass and taking names (mostly Tony Abbott’s). [x]
don’t be too clingy
don’t be such a ‘girl’
be a woman
but be hairless like a child
don’t wear skimpy outfits
don’t be such a ‘slut’
but take it off when i ask
don’t assert yourself
don’t be such a ‘bitch’
be nice to me
but don’t be a fucking doormat
don’t be ignorant
don’t be such a ‘bimbo’
but don’t argue your opinion with me
don’t wear make-up ever
don’t be so ‘insecure’
but don’t complain if i don’t like it
Okay, so I love The Hunger Games trilogy. I’m actually on my fourth complete read through, just finishing Catching Fire and about to start Mockingjay. As it happens, I’ve been looking up meta, fanfic, and podcasts on this series. One such podcast led me to Mainstay Pro, which does really great fanmade short films and posts them on YouTube. As far as I know, they’ve done 3 short films based on the books, and I’ve seen two of them. I was about to start one that portrays Katniss and Rue in the arena…that is until I saw that the part of Rue was being played by a decidedly non-PoC little girl. She’s probably a really good actress, but the white-washing made it really impossible for me to even start the film.
Now, I know reading comments on any forum setting is like walking straight into a gunfight, but I had to see if I was the only one that noticed this as a problem. Fortunately I was not. However you have the people making excuses such as “there are dark skinned Caucasians” (never mind the idea of Caucasians is racist in and of itself). So I politely made this comment:
Rue was described as having “dark-brown skin and hair”. How does this translate to white to you?
So then this Harvard graduate replies with this gem: